Logic and Reasoning Final Exam.

This is a composite snapshot of a typical chat session in a politics chat room in April of 1999. At that time, Clinton was in the middle of wagging the dog. See if you can spot any logical fallacies that are employed.

Wherever there is a icon, you can run your mouse over to read an editorial explanation of what's going on.


easey1_wbs : . . . . msg#4332
hello everyone, so what's the latest on the bombing's in yugoslavia? anyone?

TexasGlib : . . . . msg#4333
Hello everybody! *S*

AllMan4U : . . . . msg#4334
Any hot ladies who want to chat PM me!

Voodoo_man_at_large (Greed is good!!!): . . . . msg#4335
easey1--Clinton still maintains that he doesn't intend to put ground troops in Kosovo. Another Clinton lie. Is anybody surprised?

rbjen (esse quam videri.....Preuidii do mene kolish): . . . . msg#4336
hello texas glib! :)

Matchez : . . . . msg#4337
Voodoo_man_at_large (Greed is good!!!): . . . . msg#4333 Clinton still maintains that he doesn't intend to put ground troops in Kosovo. Another Clinton lie. Is anybody surprised? ////// Voodoo--Oh, so you know the man's intentions now, do you? Some kind of psycich are you? *ROFL* What Clinton lies are you talking about? you have yet to put up on your so called Clinton lies. I can see why poeple say your stupid. Sheesh!

Private to themaleman from: JTBob : . . . . msg#4338
Okay, how many posts before Match cuts and pastes a statistic? Any bets?

Matchez : . . . . msg#4339
RailRider --in a recent survey people were asked if they approved or disapprove of Clinton's handling of the crisis in Kosovo -- 52%: yes *ROFL*

 Private to jtbob from: themaleman : . . . . msg#4340
*LOL*

Voodoo_man_at_large (Greed is good!!!): . . . . msg#4341
Okay, matchez, I'll play--what about when clinton said he didn't ever get a draft notice?

Travelin Jake : . . . . msg#4342
Natchez.....you can collect lint while rolling on the floor....but Billy helped the Serbs achieve their objectives....and he will then claim he won....you will in turn disengage your brain....as if that hasn't happened already.....and pour accolades over this failure....which in turn will cause you to lose the last remaining shred (singular) of crediblity that you haven't lost already by kissing this guys arse.....

Matchez : . . . . msg#4343
Voodoo, another right winger lie. Dan Quayle has admitted taht some phone calls were made to keep him out of vietnam. Thansk for playing.,

Gouged_Eye_of_Neut (On August 2, 1990, Iraq sent a force of peace keepers into Kuwait to enforce Kuwait`s OPEC requirements and to punish the lying Emir for his bad behaviour): . . . . msg#4344
It is well known that the US armed and trained the Croats, who then, with NATO help, cleansed hundreds of thousands of Serbs from lands they had lived in for centuries

Matchez : . . . . msg#4345
Gouged_Eye_of_Neut It is 'well known' that Bigfoot roams the woods *ROTF*

bhl21 (......Its me!..The Brutally Handsome one!....): . . . . msg#4346
Clinton said that he voluntarily testified before the grand jury----yah! After he was supeenaed *LOL* That was a lie

Marta88 : . . . . msg#4347
"We will condition favorable trade terms with repressive regimes--such as China's Communist regime--on respect for human rights, political liberalization, and responsible international conduct." Bill Clinton, Putting People First, September 1992. "We will link China's trading privileges to its human rights record and its conduct on trade and weapon sales." Bill Clinton, August 13, 1992. "I am moving, therefore, to delink human rights from the annual extension of most-favored nation trading status for China." Bill Clinton, May 26, 1994.

Dino141 (I knew Clinton was contemptible in 92): . . . . msg#4348
Hey, Matchez, here's one: Where's that middle clas tax cut he promised us in 92? Ooops, I guess he was lying, huh?

Matchez : . . . . msg#4349
Dino-- since Clinton took office the Dow's gone over 10000! ROFL Oooops! Thanks for playing, try again. Still waiting for someone to put up on a Clinton lie

LoraFr : . . . . msg#4350
My personal favorite is when he shook his finger and said "I did not have sex with that woman"

rbjen (esse quam videri.....Preuidii do mene kolish): . . . . msg#4351
What about when he said he did not have sexual relations with that Woman Ms. Lewinsky?

LoraFr : . . . . msg#4352
rjben LOLO you owe me a coke!

Matchez : . . . . msg#4353
Lora, Oh? Were you there when Clinton had sex with Monica? No one has ever shown a Clinton lie.

POL-INK (Clinton is the brother Ernest P. Worrel doesn't talk about ): . . . . msg#4354
Bill Clinton Jan 26, 1998: I did not . . . . have . . . sexual relations with that women . . . . Ms. Lewinsky ///// Matchez--if clinton didn't lie when he said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" how do you explain the semen stain on her dress? (This is way too easy)

****zandak211**** (The Reset Button on The Constitution is The Second Amendmendant): . . . . msg#4355
Matchez : . . . . msg#1076 Mon, Dec 14, 7:24AM PST Several, I didn't say no sex took place ........................ I conclude sex took place between Lewinsky and Clinton

AppleJake (Clinton is the brother Ernest P. Worrel doesn't talk about ): . . . . msg#4356
Clinton said (under oath in videotaped testimony) that he had no involvement in securing a $300,000 loan to Susan McDougal. Jim McDougal and Judge Hale maintain that he did. At least, Hale does. It seems that Jim is no longer among the living. The cancelled check found in the trunk of Johnny Franklin Lawhon's car supports the Hale/McDougal version of the story. Unfortunately, Mr. Lawhon met with an untimely death after that discovery was made.

Matchez : . . . . msg#4357
zandak211--your inability to put up is noticed.

FranYOY (Win98 Should pay ME): . . . . msg#4358
Bill Clinton June 23, 1992 "I intend to have a legislative program ready on the desks of Congress on the day after I'm inaugurated. I intend to have an explosive 100 day action period. Why do I think it will pass? Well, first of all, I'm running on it." Bill Clinton Jan 14, 1993 Question from member of press: "We were originally led to believe you would have an outline for congress even before the inauguration and presented on day one or shortly thereafter - and now we're told it may be a couple weeks down the road with a full plan ready in March. When will it be ready?" Reply by Bill Clinton: "Well, I don't know who led you to believe that, but I'm the Only one who's authorized to talk about that ---" "People of the press are expecting [us] to have some 100-day program. We never ever had one." Dee Dee Myers, January 12, 1993.

Marta88: . . . . msg#4359
"I have vivid and painful memories of black churches being burned in my own state when I was a child." President Clinton June 8 1996 - national radio address "I've never known of a black church being burned in Arkansas." John Ferguson, Director Arkansas History Commission quoted in the Frank Wolfe column June 9, 1996 "I looked through my files. I couldn't find anything."[referring to the Clinton quote about fires at black churches in Arkansas] Curtis Sykes, Chairman Arkansas Black History Advisory Committee quoted in the Wolfe column June 9, 1996 "We were just fortunate not to have one."[when asked about fires at Arkansas black churches] Jerry Jewell, former state senator and former Branch President of Arkansas NAACP

Copper240: . . . . msg#4360
"Since I was a little boy, I've heard about the Iowa caucuses. That's why I would really like to do well in them."President Clinton - quoted in USA Today Feb 12, 1996 /// Iowa caucuses began in 1972 - Clinton was hardly a little boy - he was at Oxford protesting!

AllMan4U : . . . . msg#4361
Any hot ladies who want to chat PM me!

 JTBob: . . . . msg#4362
Said in court that Lewinsky's affidavit that there was no sex of any kind was absolutely true.

FranYOY . . . . msg#4363
Matchez, you want a Clinton lie? Here's a whole list of Clinton lies for you:
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KiteHigh: . . . . msg#4364
Probably his most tragic lie was when he promised Hillary at the altar that he'd be faithful to her.

Several States : . . . . msg#4365
Matchez - heres a good one. When Lewinsky says (in her book) that she had sex with Clinton, Clinton's semen was found on Lewinsky's dress, Clinton has admitted (live on tv) to having an affair with her that was 'improper' and 'wrong' James Carville himself has said (on Letterman, and I am sure elsewhere) that he 'cannot defend what Clinton has done, Clinton was wrong, but it was only sex'. All this together with the fact that you yourself have said: Matchez : . . . . msg#1076 Mon, Dec 14, 7:24AM PST Several, I didn't say no sex took place ........................ I conclude sex took place between Lewinsky and Clinton

JTBob (Jail to the Chief!): . . . . msg#4366
Proof that Clinton is a compulsive liar: Clinton said he hadn't eatan at macdonalds since he had been elected and they produced a pictgure of him coiming out of the macodnalds in Hawaii jus the week before LOLO.............the man would tell a lie when the truth would make a better story

Dino141: . . . . msg#4367
Clinton said in court documents he didn't have any letters from Willey then later produced them after her 60 minutes interview

JTBob (Jail to the Chief!): . . . . msg#4368
Let's make it easy. Here's a little index of a few Clinton lies
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bhl21 (......Its me!..The Brutally Handsome one!....): . . . . msg#4369
HEY! HEY! BILLY J! HOW MANY KIDS DID YOU KILL TODAY??

Marta88 : . . . . msg#4371
Clinton said "I never asked anyone to lie. Never. Not once. And yet Gennifer Flowers has him on tape telling her "If they ever ask if you've talked to me about it you can say no. If everyone's on the record denying it we have no problem."

Dino141 (I knew Clinton was contemptible in 92): . . . . msg#4372
How about when clinton said he didn't inhale? *LMAO*

RailRider 13 : . . . . msg#4373
Matchez...clinton lied when he said he didn't know anything about those 900 FBI files...........*L*........ He lied about the times John Huang visited the White House (as evidenced by the whitehouse's own records)...........he lied about his campaing fund raising............ he lied about his relationships with Charlie Trie/James Riady.....................*L*

Matchez : . . . . msg#4374
Matchez...clinton lied when he said he didn't know anything about those 900 FBI files...........*L* /////// Did Clinton lie when he said he didn't see bigfoot? Sheesh!

Dino141 (I knew Clinton was contemptible in 92!): . . . . msg#4375
Clinton lied when he told the American public that he would give us "more rather than less sooner rather than later" (information on Lewinsky) ..........then he lied again when he said he couldn't give us information because it was being investigated. Slick taught law, he is absolutely aware that the only parties under such restrictions are the prosecutors.

Matchez : . . . . msg#4376
RailRider, im still waiting for you to put up. oh, yeah, you can't! you're lying! ROTF

Allman4u: . . . . msg#4377
Ignored

Gouged_Eye_of_Neut (On August 2, 1990, Iraq sent a force of peace keepers into Kuwait to enforce Kuwait`s OPEC requirements and to punish the lying Emir for his bad behaviour): . . . . msg#4378
US violated the arms embargo. Even mainstream commentators admit to this, speaking of the Croatian groundforce that supported NATO airstrikes in Bosnia

Matchez : . . . . msg#4379
I have no doubt that RailRider will try to spin every Clinton victory into a defeat.

doessnt foster : . . . . msg#4380
Matchez: Yes, I think it's pretty clear that RailRider will spin every Clinton victory into something resembling a defeat. :) IT's a sure bet!

plain_ol_man : . . . . msg#4381
...what clinton victory???/.....

RailRider 13 : . . . . msg#4382
doessnt.....your bud Natchez just couldn't seem to come up with an effective spin yet...maybe you can help him........considering that Clinton was advised that the current exodus and refugee crisis would be likely.......WHY then did he not construct a plan to deal with this crisis instead of waiting for it to happen??..........*G*....take your time and dont utter the name Bush.....it's irrelavent to the question.........*L*

doessn't foster : . . . . msg#4383
If Clinton walked on water, the wacky right wingers in here would complain that the president can't swim.

bhl21 (......Its me!..The Brutally Handsome one!....): . . . . msg#4384
You mean....Clinton can't walk on water????

plain_ol_man : . . . . msg#4385
If clinton walked on water it would be a result of all the dead bodies he's walkin on

LoraFr : . . . . msg#4386
doessnt & matchez... what clinton victory are you discussing?

Matchez : . . . . msg#4387
Plainnol man, if Bigfoot walked on water would it be a result of all the dead bodies he's walking on?

doessnt foster : . . . . msg#4388
LoraFr: I'm predicting how PaleRider will react to future Clinton victories.

IB2B (TAGLINE?? I dont need no stinking tagline..): . . . . msg#4389
When asked about Gennifer flowers Clinton said 'those allegations are false! That was a lie as he himself later acknowledged.

IB2B (TAGLINE?? I dont need no stinking tagline..): . . . . msg#4390
Clinton repeatedly stated under oath taht he was never alone with Monica Lewindksy (this is too easy)

Matchez : . . . . msg#4391
The fact remains no one in here has shown a Clinton lie yet.

POL-INK (Hell hath no fury like a draft dodger with his own army ): . . . . msg#4392
Matchez--if clinton didn't lie when he said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" how do you explain the semen stain on her dress?

RailRider 13 : . . . . msg#4393
Matchez....how slow is your server?.........are you taking any medication for your selective attention deficit disorder?..........*G*

Private to themaleman from: POL-INK : . . . . msg#4394
I bet I can get Match to post that quote about extremists

AppleJake : . . . . msg#4395
Matchez....the stick your fingers in your ears and sing la-lah la-la-lah defense doesn't work here *LOL*

Private to polink from: themaleman : . . . . msg#4396
That's way too easy. Who's going to bet with you on that *LOL*

Pol-Ink : . . . . msg#4397
Matchez, you're an idiot!

Matchez : . . . . msg#4398
Pol-Ink : . . . . msg#4397 Matchez, you're an idiot!- -/ / / / - - ''Name calling and labeling. Extremists are quick to resort to epithets (liar, Nazi, fabian, et al.) to label and condemn opponents in order to divert attention from their arguments and to discourage others from hearing them out.'' - - - - This was taken from the book by John George and Laird Wilcox titled ''American Extremists'' ISBN 1-57392-058-4 copyright 1996. It was found under the sub-heading of 'The Traits of 'Extremists' p.56.

Private to polink from: themaleman : . . . . msg#4399
*LMAO* Just like shooting fish in a barrel *ROFL*

POL-INK (Mickey Mouse wears a Bill Clinton watch): . . . . msg#4400
Matchez- are you afraid to answer my question?

Matchez : . . . . msg#4401
POL-INC, why would I be afraid of someone with a tiny pecker who stutters?

voodoo_man_at_large (greed is good!!!): . . . . msg#4402
POL-INC, why would I be afraid of someone with a tiny pecker who stutters? ...............''Name calling and labeling. Extremists are quick to resort to epithets (liar, Nazi, fabian, et al.) to label and condemn opponents in order to divert attention from their arguments and to discourage others from hearing them out.'' - - - - This was taken from the book by John George and Laird Wilcox('''''these guys are criminals and pot smoking stoners''''')titled ''American Extremists'' ISBN 1-57392-058-4 copyright 1996. It was found under the sub-heading of 'The Traits of'Extremists' p.56.

Travelin Jake : . . . . msg#4403
Match, if you're so enthused about Billy's littel war what are you doing in a chat room instead of toting an M-16 around int eh Balkans? Huh?

Matchez : . . . . msg#4404
I've served my country in ways far more significant than have the sunshine patriots who haunt this chat room

Matchezz : . . . . msg#4405
voodoo, I didn't call anyone a name. Is English your second language? Third? Sheesh!!!

Voodoo_man_at_large (greed is good!!!) : . . . . msg#4406
Natchezz :. . . . msg#4408 I've served my country in ways far more significant than have the sunshine patriots who haunt this chat room...............NON-combat candyass............... - - - - ''Name calling and labeling. Extremists are quick to resort to epithets (liar, Nazi, fabian, et al.) to label and condemn opponents in order to divert attention from their arguments and to discourage others from hearing them out.'' - - - - This was taken from the book by John George and Laird Wilcox titled ''American Extremists'' ISBN 1-57392-058-4 copyright 1996. It was found under the sub-heading of 'The Traits of 'Extremists' p.56.

doessnt foster : . . . . msg#4410
I happen to know Matchez personally. He is a successful professional, much admired and respected in his community. He gives blood every time there's a blood drive; he participates in several different charity fundraisers each year; he's a gourmet cook, a superb musician, and is often called upon by community leaders to lend his expertise in matters requiring his specialized skills. He speaks several foreign languages, has passed the most rigorous survival tests both in jungle AND in desert; is loved by children AND animals; and often must decline invitations to make public appearances because of his heavy schedule in his many philanthropic endeavors.

Anncommon babe (...the female of the species is more deadly than the male...): . . . . msg#4411
dosset, lovely post. re Matchez. and yes, he also amidst all those fine activities has found the time to cop off with women publicly on the internet...*grin*... i take my hat off to you for ridiculing natchez sooo well. that was very wicked to do that to matchez though!!! i shrieked with laughter at the bit about animals!! \

The Male Man (99% of all lawyers give the rest a bad name): . . . . msg#4413
Since we live in such confusing times when the definition of such things as "sex", "is", and "alone" are not clear, we should analyze this to make sure we're all clear on our definitions: I happen to know Natchez personally. He is a successful professional, (he has managed not to get caught using the school's computers to chat all day long) much admired and respected in his community (his sister runs the biggest bar in town) He gives blood every time there's a blood drive; (his earnings rival those of the night manager at Burger King so he has to sell his plasma to buy dope) he participates in several different charity fundraisers each year (Dunk the moron! $5.00!) he's a gourmet cook, (Would you get a load of the size of the pants on that guy!!!!) a superb musician, (stumbles around town serenading the call girls when he's blitzed) and is often called upon by community leaders to lend his expertise in matters requiring his specialized skills. (Not just anybody can run a garbage truck, you know) He speaks several foreign languages, (pig latin, redneck and ebonics) has passed the most rigorous survival tests both in jungle (His wife kicked him out and drove home alone when they went camping) AND in desert; (he got lost on the way to the Grand Canyon) is loved by children AND animals; (don't ask-it's illegal everywhere but Arkansas) and often must decline invitations to make public appearances because of his heavy schedule in his many philanthropic endeavors. (Is still doing community service for public lewdness in the local cinema)

Matchez : . . . . msg#44105
Male Man - - - - ''Name calling and labeling. Extremists are quick to resort to epithets (liar, Nazi, fabian, et al.) to label and condemn opponents in order to divert attention from their arguments and to discourage others from hearing them out.'' - - - - This was taken from the book by John George and Laird Wilcox titled ''American Extremists'' ISBN 1-57392-058-4 copyright 1996. It was found under the sub-heading of 'The Traits of 'Extremists' p.56.

Inoshi13 : . . . . msg#44117
It was a spectacle the other day when Anncommon Babe ate matchezz alive. I felt sorry for the guy. . . . almost. *s*

The Male Man (99% of all lawyers give the rest a bad name): . . . . msg#4418
Aaaaaarghhhh!!!! Brutally skewered by the dreaded extremist post! *LMAO* The man is without mercy! *SWL*

The Male Man (99% of all lawyers give the rest a bad name): . . . . msg#4420
Matchez, if I could just once get you to acknowledge that you are wrong and I am right on a topic I could walk out of this chat room with a high level of self respect. My boss would appreciate my work. My children would adore me and worship the ground I walk on. My wife would claw the words "World's greatest lover" in my back at least three times a week and my friends would enjoy my company and be willing to charge hell with a bucket of water for me.

The Male Man (99% of all lawyers give the rest a bad name): . . . . msg#4421
On the other hand, if you were never to acknowledge that I'm right and you're wrong I would walk out of this chat room with a high level of self respect. My boss would appreciate my work. My children would adore me and worship the ground I walk on. My wife would claw the words "World's greatest lover" in my back at least three times a week and my friends would enjoy my company and be willing to charge hell with a bucket of water for me.

werterfreit : . . . . msg#4422
I think the Jews should rule the world for cripes sake.

Voodoo_man_at_large (greed is good!!!) : . . . . msg#4424
Well, I'd better go get ready for dinner

POL-INK (Clinton is a conscientious objector in the battle of wits): . . . . msg#4425
Yeah, I think I'll run toss the ball around with the kids for a while

****zandak211**** (The Reset Button on The Constitution is The Second Amendmendant): . . . . msg#4426
I've got friends coming over . . . I think I'll tidy up a bit . . . .~poof~

bhl21 (......Its me!..The Brutally Handsome one!....): . . . . msg#4427
by every body, Ive got to get ready for work

The Male Man (99% of all lawyers give the rest a bad name): . . . . msg#44209
It's been virtual folks ~hunger-induced poofs~

Matchez : . . . . msg#4430
Surprise, surprise! you slink away instead of answering my questions ROTF. Your cowardice is noted *LOL*

Matchez : . . . . msg#4432
Voodoo, come back here. Your inability to put up is noted. ROFL

Matchez : . . . . msg#4433
I got back $4,750 on my income taxes . . .*LMAO*

Matchez : . . . . msg#4434
You have to listen to me, I was a military intelligence officer! I lecture at universities!

Matchez : . . . . msg#4435
I know the president! I do research for him! He chats in here sometimes!

Matchez: . . . . msg#4436
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Matchez: . . . . msg#4437
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Matchez: . . . . msg#4438
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